Shri Datta Swami

Posted on: 07 Aug 2016


Basic Aim of Bible and Quran is Not Nivrutti

Basic Aim of Bible and Quran is Not Nivrutti

Shri Anil asked:

Q3) There are lot of strong verses as mentioned below in Quran, in which Jesus Himself address Him as a mere messenger of God. Quran also vehemently criticise the concept of trinity 'Father-Son of God- Holy Spirit'. Kindly enlighten us.

[Allah do not have son

“O people of the Scripture, do not go to extremes in your religion, and do not say about God except the truth. The Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, is only a messenger from God and a word from Him (“Be” and it is), which He sent to Mary, and a soul from Him. So, believe in God and His messengers, and do not say, “Three.” Stop, it is better for you. Indeed, God is one; exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And God is sufficient as a Determiner of all affairs. Never would the Messiah look down upon being a worshipper of God, nor would the angels who are close (to God). And whoever looks down upon the worship of God and is arrogant, then He will gather them to Himself all together.” (Quran 4:171-172)

“This is Jesus, the son of Mary. And this is the statement of truth, which they doubt. It is not possible for God to take a son. Far is He above this! When He decides something, He just says to it, “Be,” and it is. (Jesus said), ‘And indeed God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.’ But the sects disagreed (over the straight path), so woe to the disbelievers from meeting a horrible Day.” (Quran 19:34-37)

Only a messenger

“And (remember) when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O Children of Israel, I am the messenger of God to you confirming the Torah that came before me, and bringing good news of a messenger that will come after me, whose name will be Ahmad. But when he came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is clear magic.”(Quran 61:6)

“So she pointed to him. They said, ‘How can we speak to a child in the cradle?’ (Jesus) said, ‘Indeed, I am a servant of God. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.And He has made me blessed wherever I am, and has commanded me to me pray and give charity as long as I remain alive. And (has made) me kind to my mother, and did not make me arrogant or miserable. And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I will die, and the day I will be raised alive.’” (Quran 19:29-33)

“Then whoever argues with you about him (Jesus) after the knowledge that has come to you, (then) say, ‘Come and let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then we all pray for the curse of God to fall on those who lie.’ Indeed, this is the true story. And there is no deity that deserves to be worshipped except God. And indeed, God is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. But if they turn away (from accepting the truth), then indeed, God is aware of the corrupters. Say, ‘O people of the Scripture: Come to a just statement between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us takes others as lords besides God.’ But if they turn away, then say, ‘Be witnesses that we are Muslims (submitting to Him).’” (Quran 3:61-64)

Surely, they have disbelieved those who say that God is the Christ, son of Mary. Say, ‘Who then has the least power against God if He were to destroy the Christ son of Mary, his mother, and everyone on earth?’ And God has supreme authority over the heavens and the earth, and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and God is Able to do all things.” And the Jews and the Christians say, ‘We are the children of God and His loved ones.’ Say, ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?’ Rather, you are only human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And God has supreme authority over the heavens and the earth, and whatever is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).” (Quran 5:17-18)

“Surely, they have disbelieved who say, ‘God is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary.’ But the Messiah said, ‘O Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Indeed, whoever sets up partners (in worship) with God, then God has forbidden him Paradise, and the Fire will be his home. And there is none to help the wrong­doers.’ Surely, disbelievers are those who say, ‘God is the third of three.’ But there is no god (that deserves to be worshipped) except One God. And if they do not stop what they are saying, the disbelievers among them will suffer a painful punishment. Will they not repent to God and seek His forgiveness? For God is Oft-­Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Quran 5:72-74)

“(And) when the disciples said, ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, will your Lord send down to us a table spread (with food) from heaven?’ He said, ‘Fear God, if you are indeed believers.’ They said, ‘We wish to eat from it and have our hearts be reassured, and to know that you have indeed told us the truth and that we be witnesses to it.’ Jesus the son of Mary said, ‘O God, our Lord, send us from heaven a table spread (with food) to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You. And provide for us, You are the Best of providers.’ God said, ‘I am going to send it down to you, but if any of you after that disbelieves, then I will punish him with a punishment such as I will not put on anyone else.’” (Quran 5:112-115)

“And the Jews say, ‘Ezra is the son of God,’ and the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the son of God.’ That is the fabrication of their mouths. They are imitating the claims of the disbelievers of before. May God destroy them, how they turn away (from the truth). They have taken their religious scholars and their monks as lords instead of God (by disobeying God and obeying them), and (they also have taken as their Lord) the Messiah, son of Mary. But they were commanded to worship only one God, none has the right to be worshipped except Him. Exalted is He above what they associate (with Him).” (Quran 9:30-31)

“‘When God will say,’ O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit (Gabriel) and you spoke to people in the cradle and in old age; and when I taught you the Book, wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel; and when you made out of clay the likeness of a bird, by My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leper by My permission, and when you brought the dead to life by My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from (killing) you when you came to them with clear proofs, but the disbelievers among them said, ‘This is nothing but plain magic.’” (Quran 5:110)

Do not worship Jesus and Mother Mary

“And God will say (on the Day of Resurrection), ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, ‘Worship me and my mother instead of God?’’ He will say, ‘Glory be to You! It is not for me to say what I have no right (to say). If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is (hidden) in myself and I do not know what is in Yours. Indeed, You are the Knower of the unseen.’ I did not tell them except what You commanded me, ‘Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I was among them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your servants, and if You forgive them, indeed You are the All-Mighty, the All-­Wise.” God will say, ‘This is the Day when the truth will benefit those who were truthful. To them belong gardens with rivers running through it (in Paradise), where they will stay forever. God is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. That is the great success.’ To God belongs the heavens and the earth and whatever is within them, and He is Able to do all.” (Quran 5:116-120)]

Swami replied: There are two points in this context:

1) The human being is a joint system of the soul with awareness and the inert body, which has awareness due to very close association with the soul. Both the light and the room in which light is present have illumination helping our perception. Jesus was also addressed as the human son (manushya kumara). Hence, it is a perfect truth that Jesus is the son of Mary only and very much deserving for the selection by God to become human incarnation. There are three components basically:

a) The unimaginable God beyond space and time, who cannot be referred at all by anybody in any context. Hence, the unimaginable God is mediated by formless subtle energy with very high frequency that becomes beyond perception. This medium of energy is creation of the unimaginable God without form and is called as Holy Spirit. The energy can become visible also by lowering its frequency. People, who are fond of formless God, select this Holy Spirit as the representation of Absolute God. The actual unimaginable God can never be referred directly without the medium of energy and hence, the unimaginable God without any medium is never referred under a specific category.

b) The above Holy Spirit assumes a human form and is called as Father of Heaven. There is no difference between the Holy Spirit and Father of Heaven as far as the composition is concerned that both contain unimaginable and invisible God mediated with invisible/visible energy based on its frequency. The only difference between both is that Holy Spirit is formless energy and Father of Heaven is the same energy with human form.

c) The ordinary human being with two components, which are non-inert soul and inert external human body having acquired awareness due to close association with soul. This human being component is called as son of human being (Son of Mary). This ordinary human being (soul and body) is transformed into Son of God when the Father of Heaven or Holy Spirit merges with son of human being to become Son of God. This merge of Father of Heaven or Holy Spirit with the human being component (son of human being) may be with soul alone or may be with soul and body also. During the time of crucifixion, the body of the Son of God was leftover by the Father of Heaven or Holy Spirit so that the alive human body alone with awareness got crucified. The soul is only leftover, which is charged by God (Father of Heaven or Holy Spirit) and only the alive body called as the son of human being or son of Mary got crucified. It is said above that God can do all things (omnipotent). Hence, you cannot restrict God to do something and not to do some other thing. God can pervade the soul only that escapes the body at any time and hence, in the context of crucifixion, the alive body not charged by God, alone was crucified and the soul charged with God (Son God) left the body for heaven. If you accept the omnipotence of God, you cannot control God from pervading all over the body, if He wishes so. Based on the context of the need of the devotee, even the body is also charged with God. The energetic incarnation of God merges with both the soul and the body. Lord Krishna lifted a huge mountain on His finger and in this context, the body is also charged by God like the inner soul (antar bahishcha... Veda). Even in the case of Jesus, the dead body was put in a cave, which was tightly closed with watchmen standing before the cave. On the third day when the cave was opened, the body of Jesus was not found there. This means that since the body of Jesus was also charged by God, the external body was alive and He came out miraculously unseen by the watchmen. You cannot deny any point here since you have already accepted omnipotence of God.

2) The point of the present context differs from the above point of truth. The present context is avoiding the crucifixion by cruel devotees, which makes them become the top-most sinners to be subjected to the top-most punishment in the hell. Prophet Mohammed is very kind in heart and wants to avoid such top-most punishment for any foolish and ignorant human being due to such cruel act. The point of suffering of Jesus during crucifixion may also be set aside since the omnipotent God can make Jesus not to receive even a trace of pain. If you see the statements of Jesus after crucifixion, there is no statement that indicates the agony. He prayed God to excuse the topmost sinners from the topmost punishment due to their topmost ignorance. The main aim is to save and uplift the humanity from such severe sin. To avoid the repetition of such topmost sin in the case of human incarnation from the point of the safety of humanity only, the kind Prophet Mohammed has modified the policy and reduced the human incarnation to the state of a messenger of God only. There is no problem of jealously in the co-human beings since such messenger is as good as any other human being in all respects. Whether the messenger is God or Son of God or a simple human being transferring the message of God to humanity, there is no difference between these three concepts. The message of God is very important for the humanity to follow in practice and not the state of messenger as far as the pravrutti or balance of society with peace and justice is concerned. The few Nivrutti devotees, who like the messenger to be God to develop a very close personal relationship with God are totally out of the context of pravrutti. The basic aim of the Bible and the Quran is only pravrutti and not Nivrutti at all. Pravrutti is related to the entire humanity and Nivrutti is confined to very few devotees only.

You must differentiate the actual true concept from the modified concept that suits to the need of humanity, which is to save it from unnecessary sin that can be avoided. The true concept confined to few Nivrutti devotees can be set aside in the context of the pravrutti of vast majority of humanity.

Q4) Some Muslim devotees say that no one has been able to produce a book like it (Quran), by quoting the following verse from Quran. Also they say that Allah protected Quran from corruption. And there are verses which says that Prophet Mohammad is the last Prophet. Kindly enlighten us.

[No book like this

Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions? [Noble Quran 4:82]

If you are in doubt about it, bring a chapter like it. [Noble Quran 2:23]

Bring ten chapters like it. [Noble Quran 11:13]

Bring one chapter like it. [Noble Quran 10:38]

Protected from corruption

"Verily We have sent the Reminder (i.e., the Quran), and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).” [Quran 15:9]

"Verily, it is an honorable well-fortified book of exalted power (because it is Allah's Speech, and He has protected it from corruption). No falsehood can approach it from before or after it: it is sent down by the All-Wise, Worthy of all praise.” [Quran 41:41-42]

 Sura 4:82 states: Do they not ponder on the Qur'an?

Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.

The last Prophet

"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"

I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I am the effacer and infidelity shall be erased through me; I am the assembler. People shall be assembled on Doomsday after my time. And I am the last in the sense that no prophet shall succeed me. (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Muatta')

The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me. (Bukhari)

The chain of Messengers and Prophets has come to an end. There shall be no Messenger nor Prophet after me. (Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad, Anas bin Malik)

There will arise thirty impostors in my Ummah and each one of them will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last in the line of the Prophets of God and no Prophet will come after me. (Abu Dawood, Tirmizi)

Allah will send no Apostle after me, but only Mubashshirat (Good vision or pious vision). (Musnad Ahmad, Abu Tufail, Nasa'i, Abu Dawud)

No Prophet will come after me and there will, therefore, be no other community of followers of any new Prophet. (Baihaqi, Tabarani)

God Almighty hath sent unto the world no apostle who did not warn his people about the appearance of Dajjal (Anti-Christ, but Dajjal did not appear in their time). I am the last in the line of Prophets and you are the last community of believers. Without doubt, then, Dajjal shall appear from amongst you. (Ibn Majah)

I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. There will be no prophet after me. (Musnad Ahmad)]

Swami replied: It is not wrong to develop sincerity and firm faith on the medicine present in a specific bottle that is very much related to the language, habits and culture of a specific sect of a specific region as long as the user of the medicine from a specific bottle (conservative) does not criticize other bottles. To avoid such criticism of other religions, Prophet Mohammed has already given a strong warning. When such criticism is absent, asking a person to go in his own narrow path towards forward direction is not wrong. The strict discipline and firm faith on a specific conservative path indicates only the forward movement of the walking person or the strict discipline to be followed in using the medicine quantitatively and qualitatively. The medicine or subject is one and the same if the bottles are neglected. What all the Prophet says is about your firm faith on the medicine present in the specific bottle (or in other bottles since the other bottles also contain the same medicine) and not on the difference in the color and shape of bottles (external culture, language and habits). The Prophet is telling to develop faith in the medicine of the bottle and not to develop faith on the bottle without medicine. A person who is not taking the medicine from any bottle will divert the message of the Prophet to the texture of a specific bottle only and medicine is never taken! The present secularism is exactly in this state! People following secularism do not take the medicine and divert the attention to equality of the external bottles only. They say that all bottles are equal and that they are not prejudiced to any specific bottle. Here ends their spirituality! They never take the medicine from any bottle. For example, ‘worship God’ is the medicine present in all bottles (religions). These people go on lecturing on the oneness and equality of all the bottles and never worship the God. They are not bothered about the God and are seriously bothered about equality of external bottles and avoiding bias to any specific bottle only. Therefore, the message of the Prophet is regarding the concentration of the use of medicine from any bottle and not about the variety of bottles. If the Prophet said that what all He said is final – it is perfectly correct. This does not mean that other prophets of other religions are wrong. It only means that whatever was said by Him exists in toto in other religions. It shows only the end of the subject and the same end of the same subject exists in the message of any Prophet of any religion because the same God speaks the same subject through all the Prophets. The meaning of this is that the subject is totally explained and it does not mean that the subject explained by other Prophets in other religions is wrong or incomplete.

If a teacher completed the syllabus in a school in Hindi language for a specific standard class, he may declare that the last class is the final end and no other teacher need come to teach more than what he taught. Does this mean that the teachers teaching the same syllabus in other states, in other schools and in other languages are incomplete and wrong? In that region, in that language and in that standard class of that school, the syllabus is covered by a teacher and there no other teacher is necessary to teach more than that. This is also mainly regarding the concept of messenger and no more modification of this concept should be allowed in view of saving humanity from severe sin of harming the human incarnation. One must realize the background-kindness of such strict harsh words of the Prophet. The harshness indicates only His concern about the non-repetition of crucifixion of the messenger or son of God or God. Of course, son of God and God are eliminated from crucifixion and messenger only can be crucified since God and soul charged by God (Son of God) cannot be harmed especially when even the soul of an ordinary human being cannot be harmed. The messenger will not be crucified because there is no any specialty in him other than any other human being by which there will be no problem of jealousy leading to such criminal act. Jesus told that He has not preached anything extra since God only was speaking through him. If God says that Jesus is God, it is the direct statement of God only and Jesus has nothing to do with it. Jesus is a mike and God is the speaker. When Jesus told that He is truth and light, it is the statement of God only. God merged with Jesus so that the visible human being can alone be heard and worshipped. Worshipping Jesus is indirect worship of God if Jesus represents God (Pratika Upasana). But, God merged with Jesus and worship of Jesus is the worship of God (Saakshaat Upasana). This is the requirement of some devotees of higher nivrutti level. The omnipotent God can do anything and hence, satisfied those devotees by merging with a selected human being. None can put his finger between the omnipotent God and the higher level nivrutti-devotee. However, this is confined to minority of nivrutti-devotees and should not be referred to the devotees of normal level-pravrutti. This is the actual idea of Prophet Mohammad and He knows about nivrutti very well. He is representing only pravrutti level in the Quran, which applies to 99% of humanity.

We have to correlate this concept with Hinduism also. Lord Krishna said Arjuna that He is the God, but, asked him to keep this point as secret so that this point shall not enter the normal level devotees or Pravrutti. Gopikas belong to climax of Nivrutti and there is no need to tell them this point. Arjuna belongs to lower state of Nivrutti and hence, this point was told. Even genuine miracles like lifting mountain on finger were mocked as magic (as referred in the above question) by kauravas due to jealousy. Victory to the kingdom of jealousy! None can even touch it!