Posted on: 03 Jun 2024
1. In the case a devotee, how is it possible to attain the state where external mental suffering cannot affect internally?
[Shri Anil asked: Padanamaskaram Swami, Please give Your response to the following questions, at Your Divine Lotus Feet-anil. In the recent reply to Smt. Chhanda Chandra (Link), You said that external mental suffering cannot affect God in Human form since internally He possesses infinite bliss. You also mentioned that a devotee may also attain this state by the grace of God. A devotee does not possess infinite internal bliss. In such a case, how he is able to attain this state. Please, also kindly explain the clue to enjoy misery in case of an ordinary soul.]
Swami replied:- I said about the internal enjoyment of external misery in the case of God and not in the case of a devotee. I gave the reason also that the internal soul of the mediated God is an infinite ocean of bliss and hence, His external mental suffering cannot affect the internal bliss. A soul does not have the internal ocean of bliss and hence, the Yoga of equal enjoyment of happiness and misery is possible only to God and not to the soul. All this is the logic provided to explain the difference between God and the soul. But, you are forgetting that God is omnipotent to do anything beyond logic. By such omnipotent grace of God, a soul can also achieve the state of Yoga and can be called as Yogi.
2. Will the suffering of the incarnation exist in physical level or not?
[When God in human form suffers for His climax devotees, You said that suffering is in an external mental level. Will His suffering not be in physical body level also?]
Swami replied:- Mind is a part of the physical body. Even when the body is wounded, it is the mind that suffers and not the inert body. Hence, you cannot differentiate the mind and the body because both belong to the external level only. The internal level is the individual soul, which is not contaminated by any worldly quality bearing the infinite ocean of bliss in the case of the incarnation of God. In the case of a soul, the individual soul is either contaminated by impure worldly qualities or at the maximum becomes pure awareness. In any case, it is not becoming the infinite ocean of bliss in the case of a normal human being.
3. Why did Jesus cry due to pain on the cross?
[You said that Jesus enjoyed during His suffering on the cross internally. Why then Jesus cried due to pain? When You were enjoying the suffering of Shri Phani Kumar You also cried due to physical pain. Kindly explain these two cases.]
Swami replied:- Crying is done by mouth, which is a part of the body only. The mental suffering causing such cry also belongs to the external physical plane of the body only. He is mediated God since He is the human incarnation of the unimaginable God or Parabrahman. His individual soul contains the infinite ocean of bliss and hence, the misery did not affect Him (individual soul).